Job Application questions

Last post 11-10-2008, 11:54 AM by 4612155. 9 replies.
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  •  10-16-2008, 5:12 PM 6698

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  • Job Application questions

    Can you ask for year graduated high school and/or college on a job application or is that considered an age discriminatory question?
  •  10-16-2008, 5:29 PM 6699 in reply to 6698

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  • Re: Job Application questions

    No, discriminatory.  Consider asking if they have received their diploma, degree, etc.  This will be the root of what you want in most cases anyway.

  •  10-20-2008, 1:34 PM 6710 in reply to 6698

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    No, you can't. Consider having an education section and having them list how many years they attended and if they received their diploma. This way they can also list if they received their education of have an actual degree in something from a college.........
  •  10-20-2008, 5:21 PM 6714 in reply to 6710

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  • Re: Job Application questions

    4612155:
    No, you can't. Consider having an education section and having them list how many years they attended and if they received their diploma. This way they can also list if they received their education of have an actual degree in something from a college.........

     

    I disagree with the above poster.  You can ask them anything you'd like.  Where the trouble lies is how you use the information.

  •  10-20-2008, 6:18 PM 6715 in reply to 6714

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  • Re: Job Application questions

    The person who wrote, saying that you can ask an applicant anything you like is wrong. Everyone who said that it's discriminatory and thus not something you want to have on a job application gave you a helpful answer. Certainly, as they advised, do ask about the number of years attended and about a diploma and/or degree.
  •  10-21-2008, 10:23 AM 6725 in reply to 6714

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  • Re: Job Application questions

    No, you cannot ask them anything you want. The EEOC would be ALL over you if someone felt you did not hire them because you knew their age, gender, etc. We totally redid our employment applications to remove those questions along with their social security number. You can get a standard employment application off of the BLR website along with information regarding what you can and cannot ask and articles regarding EEOC.
  •  10-21-2008, 5:44 PM 6744 in reply to 6714

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  • Re: Job Application questions

    stayathome should indeed stay at home if that is their philosophy on HR.  Not a wise decision to follow that advice as you are likely to end up in the nearest courtroom.  Consider the legal and ethical approach prior to asking them anything you like.
  •  10-21-2008, 11:42 PM 6746 in reply to 6714

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  • Re: Job Application questions

    stayathome:

    4612155:
    No, you can't. Consider having an education section and having them list how many years they attended and if they received their diploma. This way they can also list if they received their education of have an actual degree in something from a college.........

    I disagree with the above poster.  You can ask them anything you'd like.  Where the trouble lies is how you use the information.

    Stayathome, I couldn't disagree with you more.  In fact, I think it's dangerous for anybody to take what you have said and put it into action at their work place so I'm going to take this a few steps further.

    Let's look at how this plays out.

    You direct your HR assistant to change the job application to inquire as to year of graduation.  After all, you can ask whatever you want as long as you don't do anything naughty with the information.  let's say that you want to know what era their training came from to better understand what to ask them about regardnig continuing education.

    But, while you were at it, you also decide to ask what language is spoken in the home so that you will better understand the multilinguistic capabilities of your workforce.

    Because many positions you hire for entail working outside, you also opt to ask if sun burn is a major health problem.

    Now, you have seemingly legitimate business interests for all three of these scenarios.  However, when a copy of your job application is blown up to poster size and placed on an easel in front of a jury of your peers and the attorney for the plaintiff asks incredulously how it could possibly matter when they graduated since you could ask the continuing education questions with or without graduation date it starts to look a little awkward for you.  Next, the attorney for the plaintiff asks you if perhaps the real reason was simple, straight forward, age discrimination.  If your attorney objects, their attorney rolls her eyes before the jury and says, "Withdrawns".  If they don't object, the well is poisoned and everything you say will be seen as a suspicious ploy.

    The information is entirely unnecessary and it is commonly associated with calculating approximate age.

    The second question plays out similarly with respect to ethnicity/national origin.

    The third question plays out similarly with respect to easily visible characteristics of race (specifically skin color, which relates to tolerance for solar radiation exposure)

    Naturally, questions 2 and 3 are highly unusual but they're there to make a point.  They are, within the eyes of the law, not really any different from the question you are saying is ok.  To take your exact words to the extreme, you could flat out ask people where they were born, whether or not they were married, if they had children or plans to have children, when they were born, and "where do you go to church?" as long as you didn't do anything improper with the information when, in fact, you would get into trouble with someone and probably pretty fast, and you would lose the case if it came after your practice was established across multiple applicants: no question.

  •  11-05-2008, 3:44 PM 6858 in reply to 6746

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  • Re: Job Application questions

    Did you see anywhere where I've indicated it's ok to do so?  There are no laws that specifically state you can't "do" that.  In fact, my second statement, "Where the trouble lies is how you use the information" was a basic warning that it wasn't a good idea at all.  Sheesh!  Simple reading people, simple reading.
  •  11-10-2008, 11:54 AM 6881 in reply to 6858

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  • Re: Job Application questions

    I think you are completely missing the point that we are all trying to get through to you. It is a bad idea to include those questions on an employment application. Let me repeat: It is a BAD idea to include those questions on an employment application. I couldn't agree with the other posters more. You are seriously opening yourself up to a lawsuit if you cross that line. As a matter of fact, anytime we have one of our location managers send us an "old" appliation that has been completed we immediately shred it. We don't even want the information in our Corporate office. Not only are you looking at the wrong end of the barrel on discrimination but you are ALSO crossing the ethical line. Do we have some employees I wish we hadn't of hired? Sure we do. I wish we hadn't of hired a girl who has some serious health issues and is overweight. She costs us a lot of money in health care premiums due to her high dollar claims. But we didn't look at that when we hired her, we only looked at her qualifications. You are playing on semantics now, and that could end up costing you BIG.
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